在数字时代与特米和Busayo Odunlami十亿强

“每个人和一切都在走向更多的虚拟平台。我们希望确保无法访问技术的人，可以访问将推动它们的资源。“-temi Odunlami，十亿强

为什么故事对创新过程很重要?哪些价值观可以灌输给分享故事的创新者?创新领导者如何激励创造者讲述和分享他们的成功和失败的故事?

我们采访了Temi和Busayo Odunlami，谈谈他们的非营利工作欧元强劲，该组织寻求通过包括数字专业知识、业务专业知识和社会专业知识的三管齐下的方法增强人们的能力。对他们来说，恐惧和不适的感觉经常发生在一个人即将到达绝佳机会的门槛之前，应该被拥抱。Temi和Busayo Odunlami通过关注科技领域的同理心、关怀和公平，让人们成为变革者。

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凯蒂Trauth泰勒:[00:00:04]欢迎来到创新的不陈述故事，在那里我们扩大了洞察力，影响和创新的解开故事。由未结块内容提供支持。雷竞技电竞竞猜我是你的主人，Katie Trauth Taylor。

凯蒂Trauth泰勒:(00:00:19)我们今天的客人是Temi和Busayo Odunlami。他们都是十亿强大基础的联合创始人。Temi是An Ed Tech公司的项目经理，Busayo是一家大型四个咨询公司的经理。非常感谢您对播客进行播客，谈论更多大约亿强大的基础以及您正在做的所有创新工作。

Temi Odunlami：[00:00:41]非常感谢你邀请我们，凯蒂。

Busayo Odunlami：[00:00:43]谢谢你邀请我们。

凯蒂Trauth泰勒:(00:00:44)因此，告诉我们更多大约十亿个强大的基础，以及你的使命是什么。

Temi Odunlami：(00:00:51)好吧，我们的使命是在这样一个事物变化如此迅速，每个人、每件事都朝着一个更虚拟的平台发展的时代，让10亿年轻人掌握数字、社交和商业技能。我们想要确保那些有机会使用这些东西的人正确地利用它们来促进自己的发展。那些无法接触到科技、电脑和智能手机的人也可以接触到能够推动他们、给予他们教育的资源。

凯蒂Trauth泰勒:[00:01:23]这太重要了，尤其是现在。我觉得，在所有这些挑战中，技术技能的需求越来越迫切，我们不得不在没有真正在一起的情况下进行联系。

Temi Odunlami：[00:01:36]是的。

Busayo Odunlami：[00:01:37]肯定。

凯蒂Trauth泰勒:[00:01:38]是的。那么你的创新故事是什么？是什么导致你这一刻才能创造十亿强大？

Busayo Odunlami：(00:01:45)这是个好问题。所以我想，你知道，对我来说，十亿强大的基础大约13年来始于纽约哈莱姆的哥伦比亚大学研究生。该大学正在进一步扩展校园，进一步进入哈林，自然地产市场正在调整，所以租金和财产价值观上升。所以我和一所新闻学校研究生有点注意到，如果他们刚刚在网上和有一个网站上的徽标时，有些企业可能会在这种变化中生存这种变化，可能会创建一个推特档案。显然，今天，这将是闻所未闻的。但是......不幸的是，市场真的很快，超过一半的客户失业。因此，这是对我的曝光，因为需要更容易到高档的方式。后来在我的职业生涯中，作为一个初级专业助理的世界银行工作的机会使我能够让我对发展社交网络计划的热情。在这个例子中，我是我加入银行。我很乐意拥有更多的指导比可用的更能推导。 You have these retirees who have twenty five years of experience. They’re going on to the next level of their career where they’re going to be in and the sort of consultants outside of the bank and…. Let’s have a mentorship program where they provide their technical experience and for us as the associates, we can do digital reverse mentoring and many other projects sort of help to really push my need to just sort of see how there’s like always a need for skill. And the culmination for me happened while I was in Abidjan. I was in Ivory Coast and I was working to develop and support a global youth entrepreneurship program. And this was an initiative where we said, “we have many leaders across the continent. Let’s bring them together.” And while we were doing that, we found out that there was such a significant need to upscale everybody who didn’t actually get selected into our program. And the only logical way was to take the three pillars that I’d noticed. Looking at the past 15 years, regardless of whatever change you always have the need for, wherever these individuals are to have digital skills, social skills and business skills. And I approached Temi last year and asked if she would love to execute her vision. And I can let her tell you more about that.

Temi Odunlami：[00:05:04]是的。谢谢。谢谢你，Busayo。所以，你知道，我的创新故事和他在非洲的故事很相似。我曾有机会在一家农业研究机构工作。尼日利亚以出口石油而闻名。但是政府想要做一些可以为很多刚从学校毕业的年轻人创造就业机会的事情，他们不知道自己真正想做什么。现在，有很多天才需要去执行任务，而这是缺失的。所以通过这个项目，他们想把农业变成年轻人可以掌控的产业并让尼日利亚所有的可耕地重新焕发生机。不幸的是，很多进口的产品本来可以在中国生产的。 So the government started training these graduates on how to build their farm, how to grow crops, how to use the tools, how to start fisheries, how to create biofuels of byproducts, and how to add value to a lot of Nigeria’s staple crops like yams, cassava, rice, and turning those things into globally recognized food items like breads and chips and snacks. And so just working on that project and seeing how lawyers and some doctors, you know, they were changing their career path and embracing farming and agribusiness as something that was profitable for themselves, but also would help revamp Nigeria’s economy. That was just eye opening for me. And just knowing that if they had steady access to electricity or the Internet or just being able to create websites to promote their farms and their crops, how much of a difference that would make in their ultimate goal of generating revenue from farming. So, you know, that was something that was always on my mind, that, yes, they have these tools to do this thing, that the government wants to promote the economy. But how far can it go if they’re not able to reach outside of the economy? How far can it go if they are able to start exporting their goods? And so that idea of, you know, creating a platform or making them more aware of being able to sell themselves online was on my mind. And now currently at my current job as I work on a project where we’re creating e-patients for doctors and nurses or future doctors or nurses actually that are studying and are unable to go into the hospital and complete clinical rotations. But now they have the opportunity to diagnose a patient. Albeit a 3D patient, but they’re able to get that education that they can’t get from going to the hospital. They have that right in their pockets on their phones or on their laptops. And so the idea of breaking down barriers and bringing technology to people who otherwise wouldn’t be able to access it has always been a passion of mine. And then when Busayo tapped me on the shoulder to do this, I thought, this is exactly what I’ve been trying to get into. I want to be able to be a part of the movement of bringing this knowledge, bringing these skills to a vast group of people, whether they’re in Africa or whether they’re just in our neighborhoods, but aren’t familiar with using online platforms to promote their business or gaining social skills or learning digital skills beyond basic coding.

凯蒂Trauth泰勒:[00:08:23]绝对的。这也是我研究过的问题之一。作为我的论文研究的一部分，在某些社区的数字素养的一些挑战。令人惊讶的是社会，经济，文化和种族关系，以及我们如何看待技术。还有年龄。

Temi Odunlami：[00:08:47]是的。

凯蒂Trauth泰勒:(00:08:48)你知道，很明显，我认为我们不应该做太多的假设，因为很多老年人都是精通数字技术的人。但很明显，每一代人都有自己的数字素养水平，或者他们看待世界的方式，因为他们使用科技的方式如此不同，或者在这么年轻的时候就接触到了科技。但是当我想到这其中涉及到很多不同的因素，当一个人抗拒学习技术，或者在如何更好地利用技术以取得进步或在生活中有更多选择方面有一个障碍需要克服。

Temi Odunlami：(00:09:33)是的，我完全同意。我注意到的一件事是，老一代的人很习惯使用科技产品，那就是他们的安全性。你知道，你要么是你把自己放在外面的世界里要么就是有人侵入你的电脑，获取你的信息。就提升数字技能而言，我们真正想关注的是网络安全，以及从如何创建安全密码到如何确保你没有被钓鱼或点击可疑链接等基础知识。学校里并没有教这种东西，但在YouTube或网上很容易找到。我们想把它带给人们，这样他们就会知道，即使他们没有搜索它，他们也有一个地方，他们可以很容易地看到它，在网上更舒适。

凯蒂Trauth泰勒:[00:10:18]这是一个如此明显的观点。还有，我认为接下来你知道，一个相关的问题是能够理解信息是准确的，事实和事实上的能力。并且能够培训和帮助人们能够获得评估来源并知道它是否可靠，并指的是多个来源。那是另一个地区。我认为这是能够成为负责任的公民的重要组成部分。所以这是我认为这是这谈话的另一个区域。你也谈过了吗？

Busayo Odunlami：(00:10:59)好吧，我的意思是，我认为我们已经谈到了数字识字。但我认为，我们以前有点跑过来的那种赌场，这是我们将要谈论数字识字和能力，我认为我们必须先谈论实际曝光。你知道，我们现在在这个场景中，在美国，您有个人获得高速互联网的获得，并且对数字技术产品很少接触。而且也在其他发展中国家以及中部市场和低收入国家。因此，能够实现数字识字和能力的状态，他们需要实际拥有互联网并拥有智能手机，而不是模仿智能手机的手机。所以，你知道，对于我们来说，我们想要做的一件事真的是......开始建立我们的政府管道，然后是那些我们帮助弥合访问鸿沟的各种实体计划。因为如果我们弥合了访问鸿沟，那么你可以到达一种数字信心的状态，因为......

凯蒂Trauth泰勒:(00:12:22)是的。

Busayo Odunlami：[00:12:23]在智能手机上。

凯蒂Trauth泰勒:[00:12:25]是的，绝对进入是第一个关键任务。有很多的讨论，特别是现在的医疗保健，随着远程医疗在大流行期间的增加，它并不一定是所有的，你知道，花和玫瑰，如果你愿意的话，如果你愿意的话。正确的。访问是一个挑战，许多人没有电脑或智能手机，他们可以与他们的医疗提供者、老师或雇主进行虚拟对话。

Busayo Odunlami：[00:13:03]Well, I mean, you know, just even with the libraries, right, with you know, I remember I loved going to the library in middle school and in times like this where there’s no school… The library was the one place where, you know, you could go. You can’t go there in the COVID time. So how are we…? If I don’t have a computer at home and I can’t go to the library. And that access part is super important. And I think there are definitely initiatives that are happening, I know in California they… there are really good, concerted efforts to make sure that all the students who require access to laptops have laptops.

凯蒂Trauth泰勒:(00:13:41)绝对的。不，这很重要。我认为很多学区都在质疑，因为他们提出了是否开放的替代计划，以及如果需要，他们将如何教授学生，特别是今年秋天。你能告诉我们，你知道，十亿强在某种程度上是流行病的产物，你的商业战略和你的组织战略必须适应我们现在生活的时代吗?

Busayo Odunlami：[00:14:17]哇。这是一个多管齐下的答案。我的意思是，对我们来说，我们，我会让泰米进入她的组织愿景，我的意思是，对我们来说，你知道，很明显，在专业工作的同时建立一个非营利组织总是一个挑战。然后，你知道，平民成为你背后的目标也要求我们在做任何事情时都要灵活，对吧?就是这样。但是,你知道,我认为当我们看看我们试图执行基于COVID,我们只是发生了一些故事,稍后我们将分享我们的一些用户配置文件的人他们不像我们一样,他们不是来自一个专业类获得高端,超级漂亮的私立学校。因此，他们采取传统路线，通常从事非传统行业。但鉴于目前的情况，他们有必要升级并加入数字经济。然后，新冠肺炎爆发了。它基本上是说，至少对我来说，从工作中，而我的一些客户。如果你没有一个端到端的数字操作基础设施，你就会陷入严重的麻烦，因为，你知道，如果你没有这个权利，数十亿美元就会化为零。 So COVID sort of helped us in terms of we had sort of it was this very underrepresented target market that needs to upscale just to join the marketplace and then COVID said, “here is a professional class of people who with their industries have been decimated. So they’re going to need to upscale different from this other target class because they have skills that they just need to retool to create their next position.”

Temi Odunlami：(00:16:08)确切地。这真的是我们的用户案例的位置。而且我真的关心最近的高中毕业生，这是准备进入大学的秋季。And, you know, the moment that their Prom was taken away due to the quarantine, I knew that, you know, this is definitely not what they had planned when they first entered high school and now they’re ending it and the world is just completely different. And how is it going to be when fall starts and school’s in session and they don’t even go to class and everything is online? This is the same generation of students that, you know, we’re worried because of the rise of social media. They’re losing their attention span. And now we’re expecting them to learn virtually with really nobody, you know, in the room that’s going to hold them accountable, perhaps if their parents are home, but, you know, it’s a different experience than being in class with your classmates and your teacher there, as opposed to just learning at home on a computer. So I was… I’m really concerned about how they would be able to cope with that. And so that was something that’s on my mind as we’re creating a user case and realizing that, you know, their journey is going to be very different and very delicate. There are some things they may have learned in school and the career path they’ve chosen. They may now see that it’s going to be obsolete because, you know, with the quarantine in session or a shutdown, you can’t really do that with social distancing. So they either have to think of a new career path or try and maneuver it. And with everything going virtually, if they have to start learning some more computer-related skills and more digital skills, that’s where we can be a benefit for them. Students who are trying to really understand what’s going on now with the world, with these movements and justice and, you know, racism. The students that don’t know what has happened in the past and they want to learn the history. That’s where they can come to us to learn these social skills, where they can learn how to express themselves online, but also how to interact with people without being offensive – business skills. A lot of people who were thinking they were going to open a shop in the near future are now going to have to think about how they can open media, Shopify or an Amazon Web, you know, Web page, because things are changing so rapidly. So by intertwining these three skills and these three pillars and assessing people and seeing, you know, where are the gaps that need to be filled. That’s really what we want to do. You’ve learned some things in school and now we’re going to show the gaps and pad you up so you’re prepared for this new digital world.

凯蒂Trauth泰勒:[00:18:36]我喜欢你建立了组织的方式的东西，你的策略是你与我的策略相同，你已经创造了用户故事，以了解你去过的不同类型的人：十亿，如果你愿意。你和将导致和伴侣的人能否。所以你可以更多地分享一些关于这些故事的信息吗？我真的很高兴听到这是你战略建设的主要部分。

Busayo Odunlami：[00:19:07]确定。我可以举一个迷宫般的例子。所以，你知道，通过在国际发展工作，只是特别喜欢解决问题。我加入了一个叫做世界银行集团，国际货币基金组织，非洲青年协会的组织，我们在阿比让开了一个会议。我们的想法是，就像我提到的，把这一百个人聚集在一起。我在象牙海岸。你知道，我是一个尼日利亚裔美国人。我应该试着弄点艺术品带回家。所以我去了科科迪的市场。当我在科科迪的时候，我遇到了安娜阿姨，她是我们的用户简介之一，安娜阿姨，她制作了这些高端的项链，手镯和串珠首饰。 And, you know, I notice that, you know, many of the shoppers like myself, you know, we’re getting these pieces at less than half of the market value if she was selling on Etsy or Shopify, for example, and, you know, she’s been doing this for 15 years now, some of her products, you know, they’ve definitely sold at significant premiums from the original price. But the challenge is that even when you’re selling those products at the actual real value, there are no residuals going back to her, right?

凯蒂Trauth泰勒:[00:20:33]确切地。

Busayo Odunlami：[00:20:34]所以现在你有，你知道，你知道的，她知道，她是三十九，主要的养家糊口，单身，很明显，她每天都与人合作。她知道，在新兴市场经济中，哈吉ling是一种生活方式。你知道，这就是你购买的东西。如果你不是粗糙，你就没有买任何东西。所以，你知道，她可以在网上销售她的产品，并守护自己的工作。现在对我们来说，我们看看一个完美的世界，阿姨经历了十亿三加X框架。在她的情况下，重点是在数字和商业技能上，因为每天她都有社交技能，他们可以在轻微的刷新方面对一些竞争力进行轻微的刷子来说，这是一个相对容易的乐观，只需将那些相同的离线面对面复制，您知道，在线复制这些技能。现在是阿姨。我们只是想要一个在我们框架结束时的情况，Auntie将有一个Instagram，etsy和购物的商店。 And because she’d be taking, you know, the business skills component, which part of that is, you know, marketing and business fundamentals, she would be able to actually use the web to source out the materials, and make sure that the price she’s paying for the materials for products in Ivory Coast. You know, it’s actually the best price, you know. And in this way, she actually has some sort of economic empowerment.

Temi Odunlami：(00:22:07)她可以学到一些社交技巧，尽管她的社交技巧，你知道，她在市场工作。她有家庭。你可以从中学到的一件事是，你知道，有些人是不会购买动物产品的。所以如果她用动物骨头或蛋壳做珠子，这些珠子就不会卖得好。但如果她换了生意，开始卖用回收塑料和玻璃制成的珠子，会有一个巨大的市场，人们会认为这是环保的。她会赢得那些支持动物的人的青睐，这可以帮助她不费什么力气就能迅速增加市场份额。但这些事情她可能不知道，你知道，只是在她的日常生活中。所以像这样的小事情真的能帮助人们振作起来，从别人那里脱颖而出。

Busayo Odunlami：(00:22:55)我想添加的一件事,事实上,在一天结束的时候,我们的使命是自我经济权力的人,就像安娜阿姨,和一些我们正在使用的用户配置文件,我肯定兴奋在接下来的例子中,这是一个COVID示例中,但对他们来说，能够获得所有这些材料和框架，帮助他们利用自己的技能，并建立更多的技能，以实际进入全球市场。正确的。这些肯定是我们遇到的其他挑战，我们提到过在交付和最后一英里的数字访问方面，希望通过我们与政府和发展实体的一些合作伙伴关系，我们可以填补这个缺口。但是在一天结束的时候，这更像是阿姨变成了唯一养家糊口的人。现在，因为从某种程度上看这个框架帮助她成为一名企业家，她可以得到她的产品的真正市场价值。所以她不只是一个贫穷的人，而是一个可以利用她的技能来建立一个她可以建立的其他人的管道的人。因为，你知道，她只是我接触过的四五个已经有这些商业技能的供应商之一，并且已经存在于市场中，这些市场是对他们每天所做事情的数字化描述。他们肯定会进入亚马逊前25名。

凯蒂Trauth泰勒:(00:24:30)确切地。关于使用故事，用户故事，尤其是一个关于阿姨的东西，特别是令人难以清楚的是，有能力授权并将某人命名为创新者并给予那些技能并让他们与这些技能一起举办。所以，你知道，这种指导和这种方法不一定。它真的是一种基于教育的方法。很美丽。它有很多意义。你也能告诉我们Covid用户故事吗？

Temi Odunlami：[00:25:05]肯定。这个人触动了我的心，因为有这么多人有工作，现在被视为不必要的人。我觉得这是如此侮辱。喜欢，你怎么能称呼某人不必要？所以，你知道，它真的是关于科迪德受害者的人，以及我们如何让他们的职业生涯，并再次拆除它们的差距。因此，我们有一个在米其林餐厅工作的纽约创意的用户案例。所以她是一名厨师，但她也在旁边做数字艺术。你知道，在大学里，她研究了美术。所以她真的很棒的笔和纸和绘画。您需要宣传公司并创建徽标的任何内容。 She works in the restaurant just to pay some bills. So now the restaurant’s shut down, but she can still work online and can she can still produce her art. So she comes to us and she takes her assessment. We realize that she would need a little bit more of the business skills, and that’s where we’ll help her out as far as showing her how to promote, how to market, how to network and how to get her art out there, picking exactly which type of industry she would like to do digital advertising for. And just getting those connections set up so that really would be one of the user cases there. Just helping people who have some of the skills already and just brushing them up and propelling them to continue working digitally.

Busayo Odunlami：[00:26:30]是的，我的意思是，所以还有另一件事，我可以加入那个令人敬畏的例子是，你知道，它。Again, I’m a native New Yorker, so I can understand, and I have friends who are like this, it’s like, you know, you’re working at these super nice restaurants and it really allows you to live through your art, but also pay your bills and have the flexibility and having that go, just like some of my clients at work, to zero means that it’s a drastic shift. So, you know, I need to upscale quickly so that I can leverage these digital art skills for whoever is willing to pay me. And in a situation like that user profile, when you go through the framework, during the business skills component, there’s that market research and really, you know, knowing your customer and knowing that and then in going through that, you know, upscale, the perfect world. Right. We would want them to see that, hey, there are emerging markets, startups that haven’t been hit as bad with COVID like we have here in the States, that’ll pay me for my work. It’s digital. You know, I just need to establish some sort of a home [unclear wording] to engage with them. There are a hundred thousand million, exaggerating here, tools that can enable, you know, that communication. But that’s sort of where we’re trying to get to, at least with this user profile. And, you know, from speaking with some of my colleagues, there are other use cases that are coming into it, and that’s in the creative industry. Right. So you think about hairstylists. I’m working at the salon and my salon might not be open, so I need to maybe start doing some home appointments. How do I let my customers know that I’m safe and I’m getting tested weekly or cetera? Right. So there’s a huge shift that has to happen in the interim. Right. Because we look at sort of the safety net, at least here at our society in the States, a lot of those are ending. So people have to start thinking about how am I going to get supplemental income?

凯蒂Trauth泰勒:(00:28:32)是的，绝对。这就是为什么我认为你的三叉方法非常感觉。您不仅考虑数字，您知道，教育和舒适和信心，具有某些数字工具。You’re talking about business skills as well as social skills and helping each user kind of come in and determine which areas will most help me transform my skills, my talents, my interests, my experiences into a new thing or the next step for me.

Temi Odunlami：[00:29:01]是的。

Busayo Odunlami：[00:29:03]谢谢你！是的。我完全同意。

凯蒂Trauth泰勒:[00:29:04]当我们第一次连接。我开始思考这些年来与我一起工作的不同社区。作为Untold的首席执行官，我现在做的很多工作都是与创新领袖或临床和技术专家，诸如此类的。但我的大部分背景都是基于社区的读写能力。我认为，这在一些消费者研究和我们在Untold做的研究以及一些定性研究和口述历史工作中仍然很突出。但是我思考了很多关于我在阿巴拉契亚社区和城市阿巴拉契亚社区非洲裔社区和西班牙裔社区在辛辛那提市中心和中西部的各个城市所做的工作。有趣的是，从文化或社会经济的角度来看，在特定的社区中有一些社会技能可以帮助人们在这些社区中茁壮成长。它们本身就是一种艺术形式。这是常春藤盟校教室里可能不会教的东西。正确的。 But in that social environment, in that economic environment, it is a skill and coming in with a deep respect for that and an understanding that someone who can learn that and adapt to different environments will be able to take on all kinds of other skills, because it’s just I think it’s what I’m trying to say is the value and the deeply inherent value in making sure that whenever we’re coming in to provide upscaling, that we’re thinking about the people and we’re never coming at it from a perspective of arrogance, I guess, is my thought. Yeah, and that’s what I respect and love so much about what you’re doing is, you seem to be really deeply mindful of the skills that are already present in the people who will be benefited by Billion Strong. And you’re coming at it from a perspective of elevating those people and and building their confidence rather than saying, you know, or you don’t have.. Coming at it from a point of lack. Does that make sense?

Temi Odunlami：[00:31:27]噢,是的,肯定。同理心是我们的驱动力之一。我们真的觉得同理心高于一切。同理心是很重要的当你能感受到别人的感受当你能站在他们的立场上走一英里你就能确切地知道那种影响。它有助于培育爱、希望和和平。当每个人都能坐在桌子旁时。有权益。有平等。它有助于消除仇恨、偏见、种族主义，以及我们现在面临的所有问题。同理心对我来说是解药。 And we need to bring that out more. And so we want people as they come through us to leave with that sense of love for others. And as they come through us in the upscale, they’re now equipped with, you know, weapons of love. Weapons to go change the world and to innovate further. So that’s really what we want people to do, come to us, learn these skills, but then take it a step further and change the world, too.

凯蒂Trauth泰勒:(00:32:28)我太喜欢了。你能分享,当我们结束,你想提供一些建议的人也许紧张学习新技能或担心,你知道,他们现在可以创新的方式,特别是如果他们的生活或职业生涯影响的流行病?

Busayo Odunlami：(00:32:49)好吧，害怕是好的。对吧?所以我认为这部分是......

Temi Odunlami：[00:32:56]还有，为什么害怕是好事?

Busayo Odunlami：[00:32:58]嗯，我认为，你知道，害怕是一种，你知道，当你要挑战自己作为一个人类，你会有那种感觉。对吧?所以，即使是在表演前最自信的时刻，你仍然会感到瑟瑟发抖。正确的。所以我认为害怕的行为正是我们想要的那种人，因为在一天结束的时候，我们在看——我们承认我们存在的人性部分。这意味着有些人什么都不想做。或者去社会。有些人会说这就是全民基本收入发挥作用的地方，我猜。但在我们的任务中，我们关注的是那些超负荷的人这些人实际上想要和不能接触。所以如果我们能把想要这样做的10亿人都带走，我们的处境会比现在好很多，因为，你知道，有我的年轻人在那里工作， I’ve met at least 10 to 20 thousand youth who are exactly in need of these frameworks and these systems that like from all over the world who are really yearning to sort of create their self economic empowerment.

Temi Odunlami：(00:34:20)除此之外，我想说的是，你所描述的那种感觉就是不舒服，你正在走出自己的舒适区。所以我建议大家接受这一点。活到老，学到老。不存在太老这样的事情，因为大脑是强大的，这是你的机会。尤其是当你坐在家里被隔离或者你没有任何事情可做的时候，如果你能花一周时间在网上使用一些工具，你就能创造出一些很棒的东西。所以我们希望人们加入我们，加入我们，学习新的东西，这将改变他们的生活，也改变其他人的生活。害怕是件好事，因为一旦你战胜了恐惧，你就能做任何事。

Busayo Odunlami：(00:34:59)特米，我有一个很好的例子。

Temi Odunlami：(00:35:03)噢,是吗?

Busayo Odunlami：(00:35:04)一个真正的生活方例。所以我花了一些时间在我父母的演出之间。当我到达那里时，我有一个黑莓[不清楚的措辞]，就像超越的超级。而且我是一个微生物学家。我就像，“妈妈，冷静下来，布拉，布拉，等等。”我们让她一件iphone，她的表情符号游戏吗？这是荒谬的。所以，你知道，我认为它真的只是一个舒适程度，并且具有框架，可以与不同的利益相关者群体对齐。正确的。这就是我们如何开始获得更多成年人口。 Especially those who are working in the, sort of, the nursing homes, you know, I’ve got some colleagues who are doing some work [unclear wording] with some products in nursing homes and really getting them also comfortable with technology, because we also have to realize that there is ageism out there and we need to stop with that and make sure we’re also creating products. Right. That’s what we talk about, our frame of reference with self-awareness and empathy. And make sure as we’re creating these products, we’re thinking about the full spectrum of our stakeholders. And we, you know, we’re always looking to definitely get more people involved in building our tech, so… Thank you so much, we really appreciate it.

Temi Odunlami：(00:36:27)感谢您的时间。谢谢你的倾听。

凯蒂Trauth泰勒:[00:36:30]哦，非常感谢你们所有的倾听和分享您的用户故事的亿强大。我知道我们都受到了激励。在个人层面，也是当然，从商业角度来看，如果人们想要参与并了解更多，他们怎能伸出来？

Temi Odunlami：(00:36:50)是的，请在十亿桶中访问我们。这是十亿强，点M. E.

凯蒂Trauth泰勒:[00:36:58]完美的。特米和武代，非常感谢你们。这是一次充满活力的谈话。我迫不及待地想了解更多关于如何亲自参与其中的信息。我很高兴听到你的工作中有更多的创新故事。

Busayo Odunlami：[00:37:11]谢谢你！

Temi Odunlami：(00:37:12)非常感谢。这是伟大的。

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