恢复活力的叙述:北极星加里灰色的“愿景”

“过去的分享故事以及创造的伟大产品有助于激发人们知道并相信他们也可以做到,我们的大部分创新都没有来自顶级。他们来自自下而上。它是赋权的。它激励人们来上班,因为那么每个人都意识到他们可以有所作为。“- 印度摩托车公司的赛车,技术和服务副总裁Gary Gray,Slingshot,Polaris

为什么故事对创新过程很重要?哪些价值观可以灌输给分享故事的创新者?创新领导者如何激励创造者讲述和分享他们的成功和失败的故事?

我们采访了加里·格雷,他是印度摩托车公司Slingshot的赛车、技术和服务副总裁,北极星。距离美国印度摩托车公司的北极星支持复兴始于2011年,以来,自新的创新和公司历史互动以创造印度摩托车的独特故事。今天,加里股票北极星如何导致印度摩托车的重生,以及Polaris独特模型背后的不同叙述和战略弹弓.加里描述了“远见”如何引导他们进行新的创新,并帮助塑造他们的故事。

Gary Gray是印度摩托车公司产品研究,概念,设计,开发和营销的副总裁和行政领导者。

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凯蒂[00:00:00]我们的客人今天是加里灰色。他是v.p.印度摩托车公司Slingshot Polaris的赛车,技术与服务。加里,你今天好吗?我很感激你在播客上。

加里[00:00:12]是的,我很好,凯蒂。谢谢你让我开心。

凯蒂(00:00:14)因此,您也是产品研究,概念,设计,开发和营销的高管领导者。你能和我分享,脱掉袖口,你认为讲故事在那些不同的元素或与创新有关的活动中扮演什么职位?

加里[00:00:34]是的,我想,凯蒂,我认为讲故事非常重要。多年来我在很多项目上工作过。可能会向公众发布超过50种新型号。而且,老实说,诚实地,我曾经工作过的更容易的是新的印度摩托车。我们正在推出一个品牌,你知道,从嗯,我会称之为灭绝。它于1953年出发了业务。我的团队负责将产品带回。而且,你知道,我以前在很多产品上工作过。我会告诉你一个人很容易,因为品牌本身有这么棒的故事,它很容易利用品牌的故事并讲述品牌的故事。你知道,有赛车历史,你知道,最近的历史,只是这本书的设计书籍的长期遗产。关于它的电影。

凯蒂[00:01:30]确定。

加里[00:01:30]所以它只是 - 你知道,当你与工程师一起工作时,你想要排气看起来像53,通常是,你知道,工程师的答案将是,不,加里,这很疯狂。它应该看起来像这样,因为这是如何完成疲惫。但他们只是立即得到它。他们喜欢,是的,与过去连接现在真的很重要。是的,我们要去工作并发生这种情况。So that’s sort of the one of the key areas where I can think about, you know, the story of the Indian Motorcycle brand just made it so easy to work with a product development team and a great one at that to help bring a product back. It just, you know, the – all those stories helped create the bike and the image that it needed to be.

凯蒂[00:02:13]所以你可以把我们带到你的技术简报中,你的工程和产品设计师,每个人都在那些时刻的工作?你是如何将历史品牌故事纳入那个历史性的品牌故事的地点,并帮助每个人都真正相信他们创造的东西?

加里[00:02:35]是的,我的意思是,它有助于你看到事情和感受到的东西,然后听到东西和闻到东西。因此,我们实际上采用了关键设计团队,以便我们称之为印度历史骑行。我们骑摩托车通过多个州访问所有者拥有葡萄酒集合的印度摩托车,并必须亲自看到它们并触摸它们并骑自行车。我的意思是,这些自行车值得你知道,其中一些人价值70000美元。我们就像,我可以骑这个?他们就像是的,把它拿出来。你知道,它很酷,骑着它们。你只是瞬间逐步放大到生活中。和那些人那样,你知道,骑着他们工作或进入城镇以获得物资或任何东西,并且真的与您联系在一起,并与您设计自行车的人以及它们必须感受到它和工艺。真的很酷,真的很酷。 You know, one of my more amazing experiences that I’ll always remember, so that – that was kind of, you know, the squishy, you know, touchy feely part of it. The more technical part of it—we have what we call a stage-gate process at Polaris. We call it the Polaris Development Process or PDP. And it walks you through how to get from, you know, who’s the customer or what’s the product’s idea, what’s the business case for this? And then it gets into tactics of how you develop specifications through either, you know, market research, focus group, competitive technical data, whatever it might be to help create a list of specifications and key product characteristics to hand off to the engineering team to do the design work.

凯蒂[00:04:30]是的。所以舞台门是一种方法,即许多企业创新团队利用。这是一种方法,你会说,如果你知道,一个过程,一种方法,如果你愿意的话,那么,你会说,禁止做出决定和休息创新,如果你愿意的话,可以吗?

加里[00:04:48]是的,肯定的。我是说,这就是事实,对吧?它给了你——这就是为什么人们称之为后台门。你需要向你的同事证明你的领导能力,证明你已经达到了前进的标准。你知道,一开始是有客户吗?有成功的产品吗?商业案例是否合理?之后的gates是,你知道,你完成验证了吗?你和所有的大政府机构都完事了吗?你,你知道,你的供应商准备好了吗? Is the quality there? Are you ready for production? You know, those are kind of the two, the broadest, the bookends of the stage-gate. But it formalizes the process. It doesn’t mean that, you know, you’re going to come out with a winning product at the end. I look at it like a recipe and, you know, a recipe in the hands of a great chef turns into a masterpiece and a recipe in the hands of an average chef turns into, you know, something you can eat. But it doesn’t mean, you know, in this competitive marketplace that you’re gonna be the winner. But yeah, it – it gets everything in process that everybody can get in the cadence and understand what their role is and work to move the project forward.

凯蒂[00:06:04]您认为不同的讲故事或策略的杠杆和购买的策略您是否认为这些策略在整个舞台门廊移动时会发生变化,以便讲故事以及您可能必须建造的讲述的框架first phase of your process may be different than the kinds of stories that are expected or the evidence that’s expected to be shared at stage 3 or stage 4 when you’re scaling.

加里(00:06:34)是的,当你经历过程时,它得到了更多的技术和更有趣。它来自鼓舞人心的人,你知道,只要伸出困境,做一些真正的惊人,因为在一天结束时,我们都为企业工作。你必须提供结果。所以。当你去生产时,你知道,像摩托车或像弹弓的东西。你知道,客户会使用它,他们将在高速公路上。它必须是安全的,必须经过验证。因此,规格和,您知道,目标成就和验证要求以及测试要求变得非常关键。所以它变得更加重要,你知道,是你 - 你击中你的目标吗?你是尽快击倒问题吗? Have you spent the right amount of money? Not too much money. You know, is the business case still a positive return for the company? So, yeah, it certainly becomes a bit more tactical and a bit more numbers-focused than it does, you know, kind of the story and trying to inspire an organization to do something they haven’t done before at the start.

凯蒂(00:07:51)绝对地。这有很多意义。And I’m curious how evidence plays a role in each phase of the stage gate and the—you know—I think that we can all agree data tells its own kind of story, or the technical challenges or technical successes also require some kind of communication and storytelling around them in order to help people know whether to move to the next stage. So could you share a little bit more insight into the role that evidence plays as you’re kind of working to move something from concept to market?

加里[00:08:27]是啊,我不喜欢证据这个词。听起来就像我在法庭上,陪审团在听。

凯蒂[00:08:34]这还算公平。我们应该怎么说?

加里(00:08:36)信息。我会提供信息。我更喜欢这样。这是更多的乐趣。是的。肯定我的意思是,在一个阶段-关卡,你报名参加某些事情开始于我们所说的门口1门2是我们的大东西在哪里锁定和你的花是锁定您的测试计划是锁定,锁定和需求你的关键产品特征锁定下来车辆需要的样子。你知道,那些实际上是有趣的事情。然后从运营的角度来看,增加供应商,达到关键的运行速度,零件确认过程,材料释放,所有这些都是设定好的,超时的。如果你想继续前进,团队必须达到里程碑,你知道,如果它——我想称之为登月计划——但如果它是一个高度创新的项目,它有风险,无论是市场风险还是技术风险,你要确保你达到了这些里程碑,并给领导团队信心,让他们相信团队正在做这件事,并且能够处理好。 Because if you are working on something that’s really new and innovative and you’re not meeting your milestones, programs are getting shut down or delayed or losing funding. So, yes, as you move through the information flow between the teams and making sure that everyone’s hitting milestones is critically important to maintain programs.

凯蒂[00:10:21]所以你与我们共同建立了创造印度摩托车的经验和让那种恢复生命。我也碰巧知道你在将弹弓到生活中发挥了漂亮的乐曲作用,这是一个超级不同的概念,即不一定 - 真的是一个更具破坏性的创新,这是一个全新的东西。

加里(00:10:43)是的。

凯蒂(00:10:43)因此,你可以分享一点洞察历史上历史上和重新设想和重新设想它的东西之间的差异 - 这是它的区别,创造了一个破坏性的东西,真正你可能需要做得更加令人信服来到最终用户,为什么他们应该爱上该产品。你能告诉我们这一点吗?

加里[00:11:09]是的,弹弓是一个非常令人兴奋的,同时是一个非常可怕的项目。我来上班,你知道,看车辆并去,我们会卖掉一百万这些,第二天我走进上班,说这将是一个完整的失败。我在做什么?

凯蒂[00:11:28]顺便为听众介绍一下产品。

加里[00:11:31]是的。

凯蒂[00:11:32]我认为大多数人都知道这说了什么,但是。

加里(00:11:34)弹弓是一种三轮的交通工具,两个轮子在前面,一个引擎在前轮后面然后是一个小木屋它看起来很像一辆车,一个轮子在后面。他们只是在听。如果我在街上开着一辆蝙蝠车,当你在加油站停下来时,我听到的最常见的词是,它看起来像蝙蝠车,或者看起来像兰博基尼,或者看起来——它真的很疯狂,超级未来主义。你知道吗,当它静止不动的时候,看起来就像在以每小时一千英里的速度前进。开车真是太棒了,而且很有趣。弹弓的动力来自于我们和胜利摩托车公司的摩托车生意。我们一直盯着三轮空间。所以三轮空间里有两个不同的车手。一个是入门级的车手,他还没有准备好在高速公路上骑两个轮子,只是想要更多的舒适和安全。另一位顾客是一个骑了一辈子摩托车的人,现在有点犹豫了。 Being on two wheels, especially when they came to a stop holding up a bike, they wanted to move to something more stable. And the products that were out there at the time—they just weren’t that fun, going to three wheels, just the handling didn’t work out as well as it does on two wheels. Didn’t look as cool. They definitely looked, you know, like a step back, not a step forward. And so what we wanted to do is create a three wheeled experience that was – was the antithesis of both of those things that was super exciting and fun to drive. And when you looked at it, it was like, whoa, what is that? I want to drive, whatever that is. It looks so fun. So, yeah, it was a scary project. You know, it started out—one of our engineers actually created the idea in what we called a visioneering exercise. So that’s an exercise where anyone in the company can submit any idea and we choose the top five or 10 or whatever it happens to be at the time and fund those to develop a concept vehicle. So then they get to take their idea from, you know, words on a piece of paper to a living, breathing, running product, you know, that you can drive around. They don’t look super great and they don’t perform to the end expectations. But it gives – it gives the design teams in the lead company an opportunity to sit in a vehicle and drive the vehicle和 - 看看客户体验可能的样子。因此,该项目经历了这一过程,并获得了您可以使用驱动器和领导对它感到兴奋的构建原型的资助,我会说大多数领导都对此感到兴奋。仍有一些领导力,是的,我对这件事不太确定。这是一点点 - 我不是,你知道,不是太肯定,因为没有人真正做过这样的事情。我们正在努力在08-09次衰退的高度上致力于它。因此,当大量公司撤回投资时,我们实际上正在加速我们的投资,并进入这个疯狂的新空间,没有人以前没有人。但这是一个白色空间。你知道,没有人在那里。我们别的地方都在那里真的很吨,非常好的竞争。这里没有任何人。 And as we developed the project through the stage-gate process, as we did our focus groups, you know, it was more of the same. There were a select, I’ll call it 10, 20 percent of the focus groups that just absolutely loved it. And then there’s the 80 percent of the focus groups where I can still remember one comment. How am I supposed to pick up my mother at the airport in this thing? We’re just like, yo, you’re not the customer. But at the same time, there was somebody in the room that was like, I would move in this thing, like I could pack all my stuff up in this and I could move across town. So it’s like, okay, there’s our person right there. But yeah, I mean, the focus groups were crazy because people just hadn’t seen something like this before. And, you know, even recruiting forums like who do we bring into these focus groups? Because, you know, you can’t really bring in car people and you can’t really bring in motorcycle people. And it was tough all the way through of – of identifying, you know, most of our other projects were, you know, it was pretty easy to bring in motorcyclists or it’s pretty easy to bring in somebody that’s ridden an ATV before and see what they think about a new ATV. But for this, yeah, it was a struggle all the way through from who’s the customer to how should it perform. Normally have a competitive set and you just simply do things better and the competition is doing them. And here there was no competitive side. So how great is great enough? Yeah, it’s unique. But you follow that process that you’re used to and you develop key product characteristics and you develop styling models and you show those to people. And here you have to be willing to push boundaries a bit more than you would with a normal project and move it through the process.

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凯蒂[00:17:00]我喜欢这样的画面:你每天走进来,看到原型或早期测试项目,一天还很自信,第二天就开始质疑一切。我很喜欢这张照片,因为我觉得它能引起很多创新者的共鸣。你能跟我们分享一下你的怀疑是什么时候消失的吗?

加里[00:17:27]我想这是在我们建造了第一辆,我们称之为验证建造的车辆之后他们有一个完整的车身,完整的底盘,你知道,完整的工作车辆。它没有在生产中完全验证。而且你的供应基地也没有增加。但是飞行器看起来就像它将要表现的一样它的表现就像它将要表现的一样。我们,你知道,因为这是一个创新的新产品,我们觉得我们必须尽早和经常地获得消费者的投入。所以我们实际上隔离了城市的一部分。它实际上是在明尼苏达州的州博览会上,在那里我们可以把看起来像普通城市街区的东西挡住,但我们可以完全挡住交通和人们的视线,让真正的消费者进来,让他们驾驶它,并得到反馈。他们非常激动。你知道,他们都想马上买一台。当然,当时还没有出售。 But I think that’s kind of where I think we’ve got something here. I mean, you’re never fully sure until you get it into your, you know, your dealer network and you start retailing and you can see the retail numbers and and things really go. But I think we had a pretty good insight when we had those validation vehicles at the state fairgrounds and put consumers, real life consumers in them. And it wasn’t just people drinking the Kool-Aid. We were excited. It was real people that had no skin in the game out there, putting laps on them and having a great time.

凯蒂(00:19:02)非常感谢你的分享。如果我们能与你的团队一起回顾创新的过程,你能分享一些你所面临的挑战吗?尤其是颠覆性的概念,甚至是进入舞台入口的过程?我敢肯定,在任何东西被激活之前,就已经有很多想法了。你提到了一些想法,我想。你是说这是一场比赛,还是说你可以用不同的方式,我想你叫它-

加里(00:19:33)愿者。

凯蒂(00:19:36)愿者。

加里(00:19:36)迪士尼有想象力,我们有愿景。我的意思是,我们已经从中发展了。我甚至无法记住它现在所召唤的东西。我们已经进化了几次并扩展了它。它曾经只是工程。我的意思是,我们总是说任何人都可以放在一个想法中,但老实说,它是重点的工程。大多数信息和访问都居住在工程中。这就是大多数想法来自的地方。今天市场上出现的很多想法都在他们的家中或在工作商店中出来的工程师的个人项目。所以它在很多年份都有很好的服务。 I mean, the Polaris 120 youth snowmobile, which was the top selling snowmobile of the year. Senior management, you know, wanted nothing to do with it. They thought it was a bad idea. So a bunch of engineers actually built, you know, a running, working prototype and showed it to people and that was what it took to change people’s minds. So, yeah, maybe this – maybe this is a good idea. Because all the market data said that, you know, the youth market was dead and the price points were really low. So your payback was long. And it took that prototype to convince senior management that this is a good idea. And as I said, it was the top selling snowmobile the year it came out. So we learned from that, you know, it’s sometimes important to fund these ideas. So our idea generation process is now truly expanded outside engineering. It’s online, it’s global. So ideas come in from our employees from all over the world. And it’s a similar type process where the ideas come in, the individual employees put as much time into it as they want. Hopefully sketches and, you know, descriptions. And, you know, if they go really far, they get to build a business case around it. And then if they get approved, they’re down selected to the top five. They get funded to build prototypes because we’ve learned that prototypes are really important for people to see and feel and touch and just really get their minds around, is this a good idea or is this something that we’re not ready for at this time? So the process is largely the same. It’s just been globalized and formalized. I would say to, you know, increase the number of ideas and still push them up sort of in the same process as it always has.

凯蒂[00:22:05]If you could sort of bring a litmus test to which ideas tend to get moved in to the development process, would you say that there’s a certain recipe in terms of what needs to be sort of checked off the list, if you will, whether that’s the impact that it will have or the market share or the competition. What are sort of the – the elements of story that need to be present in order to move a concept and to the process of creating it?

加里[00:22:37]我认为这是一个令人信服的竞争优势。如果你进入一个现有的领域,如果你和我们的雪地摩托,沙滩车,摩托车等竞争对手竞争,你怎么赢?如何为客户提供一个明显的竞争优势,我认为这是一个关键因素。当然,你知道,作为支持,它必须有一个健全的商业案例,它必须满足客户的期望。但对我来说,最关键的一点是这个东西在哪赢,怎么赢?然后你有,你知道,退后一步,然后你有产品像弹弓,进入空白区域。这些是不同的。你是否能提供独一无二的客户解决方案,我认为这是首要的,其次的,但同样重要的是,你知道,商业案例。我们能赚钱吗?我们能用这个产品增加股东价值吗?

凯蒂(00:23:38)肯定。在你的组织中,创新者之间是否还有其他的困难需要你清楚地沟通这些特别的,你知道的,类似于清单项目?在让你的工程师能够沟通这些项目并获得他们所需要的支持时你是否看到了某些挑战?

加里[00:24:04]是的,我的意思是,每个人都带有不同的镜头或不同的焦点。而且,你知道,工程师往往非常技术性,他们思考这个方面。所以他们可能会错过你将如何将它带到市场的业务或讲故事。而且,你知道,到相反,营销人员可能会在他们想要创造的东西周围拥有这个伟大的故事。但是没有技术方法可以做到。所以我认为每一个人都会带来他们自己独特的镜片,他们擅长。并且通常在这个想法中闪耀。他们通常堕落的地方是另一个专业领域。所以我所看到的是,当我们可以获得两三人与不同部门的想法合作。如果一个工程师去了工业设计师,他们就会搞一个营销人员并对某事感到兴奋,他们将它作为一个团体聚集在一起,那些真的是有影响力的程序,因为它们具有不同的焦点镜片,而且他们补充了酷的故事 they add the technical know how as to how to do it. And they’ve got a beautiful sketch from industrial design and it tells a complete story rather than, you know, one lens of the story.

凯蒂[00:25:18]我认为,那个跨学科团队的愿景聚集在一起,使得沥青变得强烈,因为它会产生如此多的意义。真的,为了将一些想法带入生产和市场,它将需要从所有不同内部受众中的输入和买入。因此,游泳池不同,你知道,尽早的利益相关者是有道理的。有点将它们进入一个想象的过程,并且在开始缩放或运作时不仅可以向他们伸出援手。

加里[00:25:51]我的意思是,早期的利益相关者参与总是很关键的。我认为公司中至少有一位关键领导作为你的赞助商是很重要的。这并不需要太多,但只要你有一个关键的领导在项目背后,并与其他执行团队一起不断推动,这似乎就是成功的。我认为你不需要每一个人,但你知道,越多的人,你可以和尽早并且经常分享它,你越好,因为至少你知道,即使他们没有强大的支持者,至少如果他们意识到这一点,我认为,他们会更加羞于往后推,而如果他们来自的也许是一个弱点。这些事情会让你陷入麻烦,减缓或停止发展。

凯蒂[00:26:43]你是否注意到通过分享故事来记住经验教训或回顾机构历史,这在创新如何在整个组织中传播中起到了一定的作用?我在想你分享的那个故事,你知道的,雪地摩托以及在一开始让利益相关者参与进来的挑战。但他们从那次经历中吸取了教训。你是否认为,你发现自己在内部回忆那些时刻,是为了帮助产生一种不同的文化,围绕着颠覆性的想法,为下一个概念分享?

加里(00:27:27)Yeah, I think sharing stories of the past and how great products were created—I think that helps inspire people to know and believe that they can do it too, that these products didn’t come from—most of our innovations didn’t come from the top down. They came from the bottom up. And if you can communicate that, you know, if you have that and it’s real and you communicate that through the organization, suddenly instead of 10 executives trying to create ideas to fight the competition, you have 13000 people waking up in the middle of the night going, man, what if we did this? Or what if we built this product? And it may not even be the product. It may be something simple on the assembly line that maybe we attach this part this way in the future versus doing it this way. And it’s faster and it’s safer and it’s more reliable. You get that army, you know, believing and pulling to make change for the better. I think that, you know, it’s inspiring. It’s empowering. It motivates people to come to work because then everybody realizes they can make a difference.

凯蒂[00:28:34]我喜欢那种形象。它真实的是,灯泡时刻,无论发生在哪里,都可以从任何员工中线束 - 这听起来像你的目标是从你所服务的消费者那里从你的用户那样拉出这样的想法。

加里(00:28:51)是的,我们做了很多焦点小组。我们做了很多调查。和呀,我的意思是,艰难的部分是我们无法履行所有想法。老实说,对我的创新是最艰难的部分是你如何优先考虑这个想法并获得这么多的伟大想法?而且你只有这么多预算,你知道,很多人和这么多时间才能完成它。所以这是你怎么样 - 你如何采取那些伟大的想法并迅速综合它们是什么以及他们在业务中可能意味着什么,并选择正确的人继续前进?有时客户可以帮助你。有时候,你坦率地说,我已经看到了很多证据表明客户不知道他们想要的东西,直到你向他们展示他们并不是以前从未见过它。他们没有接受过这种方式训练。他们受过训练,以对事物做出反应,而不是不创造。 So a lot of times we struggle. I mean, I’ve – I’ve honestly sat in focus groups where people didn’t want something and then you set them on a bike with that on it. And within 15 minutes, they suddenly can’t live without it. You just. I just saw you sitting there. You just told me you didn’t want that. It was actually a display screen on a motorcycle. So, you know, touchscreens are in cars and we’ve put them on motorcycles now. And before we brought it out to market, we had a bike built up and it was under a cover. And we had a focus group sitting at the table and everyone at the table said, no. You know, when I go out, ride out, I want to get away from it all. I don’t want music. I don’t want a screen in front me. I just want to be alone on the road. And we’re like, OK, well, this isn’t going to go well. We uncover the bike and they sit on it. We power it up. And this display comes up and it – it’s got a map on it that will tell them as they get low on fuel where the next gas station is. They don’t have to worry about it. You know, they can put their playlist and they can have their favorite music and, you know, navigates them home. So they have to be home by a certain time. They know they’re not gonna be late. And they’re just, you know, 15 minutes later, they love it. They can’t live without it. So, yeah, sometimes it’s difficult to get new ideas out of consumers. But, you know, usually if you can show them something, they can see and feel you can get the right answer.

凯蒂(00:31:00)看到相信这么多的方式,我也想,它真的 - 这很有意思。您知道,每年越来越多地显示消费者对他们认为创新的品牌的研究表现出来。

凯蒂[00:31:17]他们期望他们将爱的品牌和 - 买入的品牌是创新的,并继续做出准备好,让他们对他们感到兴奋。然后有一个有趣的角色。创新者戏剧,创新组织扮演并真正绘制了未来,并为消费者准备在该未来的生活。

加里[00:31:44]是的,我刚刚去CES,消费电子展,1月份,它非常令人惊叹。现代和优步在那里有一个Quadcopter。你知道,它是 - 它是自动飞行到屋顶到屋顶的自动飞行。

加里(00:32:03)内部城市拥堵,如果它出现了,你就知道产品年份和岁月。但它是 - 这是疯了,你知道,他们有多远 - 他们正在推出并展示人们可以帮助他们在未来为此做好准备。这是一个平衡。你知道,有竞争性威胁,显然,如果你展示 - 太早显示,你就会给你发放关键信息,如果你向我们展示为时已晚,你就会冒险。但我认为每种类型的技术,都有平衡。我认为你是对的。你知道,消费者越来越多,正在寻找技术及其产品。

加里[00:32:42]我们肯定看到汽车空间正在看到人们正在基于马力和扭矩购买汽车,而是您知道的 - 这 - 显示器的大小和破折号。因此,事情肯定会改变到更多的技术为导向的世界。我们需要保持领先于此。

凯蒂[00:33:02]我们做了一些-这是相同的。我们在Untold Content做了很多研究,研究创新故事模式。雷竞技电竞竞猜

凯蒂[00:33:10]因此,我们分析了数千个不同的创新故事,我们发现了一个非常相似的模式,专注于具有破坏性的创新,尤其是破坏性技术。我们打电话给它 - 我们称这种模式扰乱了叙述。基本上,那种创新故事倾向于英雄是未来的事情。这个故事的高潮通常是你生命中会产生什么影响或者将创造的经历是什么。因此,这种创新故事中的叙述是非常未来的看法。And it places the innovation within this larger vision of what the future looks like, because if if users or even internal stakeholders can’t envision it, if they can’t relate to it, if they can’t sort of see the steps that would take us into that future, then it becomes a lot easier to say, no, not now or to say I can’t – I can’t imagine that. And so that that kind of disrupting the narrative story pattern helps break down that doubt and put yourself in that future.

凯蒂[00:34:18]而且我知道,这些技术在飞行和以不同的方式通勤,就像通过不同的方式移动我们的环境,特别是在你所在城市中间的无人机上飞行的思考是一个 - 它真的......

凯蒂(00:34:34)这可能是一个非常具有破坏性的问题。当然,像弹弓这样的东西,你必须能够想象未来会是什么样子。

凯蒂[00:34:44]不管怎样,我很喜欢我们之前讨论的内容。这是很有趣的思考,你知道,使用数字显示器的消费者可能不知道那正是他们一直想要的,直到他们被安置在那个未来,能够想象它将如何影响他们的体验和生活。

加里(00:35:02)是的,它很有趣。你知道,我希望我们能想出一些密码来确切地知道人们明天想要什么。但是我们的员工,我们的用户每天都在那里。高潮,也有低谷。你可以从中学到很多东西,比如,你在森林里的雪地摩托旅行。你遇到了一个痛点,你一次又一次地遇到它,没有更好的选择。当你回来工作的时候,你会想办法解决这个问题。我觉得我觉得你会一直朝着正确的方向前进。北极星最大的优点就是我们所有的员工都是那里的用户。他们每个周末都出去骑车,就像真正的顾客一样。 And they get to come back to work and say, I want to make this better. And not only do I want to make it better for myself, but I want to make it better for all the people that buy our products and that type of innovation. That’s it’s driven by consumers because the employees are the consumers. And I think I think that. Living in your customers shoes, no matter what industry or and is, is always critically important to truly understanding the pain points of your customers and – and motivating you to work to solve those – those problems. You know, I tell – I tell our new employees all the time. It’s like as long as you’re as long as you’re working on something that’s solving a customer pain point, you’re working on a good thing. I mean, that can never be a waste of time.

加里[00:36:30]这永远不会失去努力。如果你正在努力那些占据我们的客户的东西,那就是 - 这是一件好事。我认为我们幸运的是,我们在前面的基金产品上工作,我们的员工喜欢使用和 - 然后回来工作和工作,让他们更好。

凯蒂[00:36:46]我喜欢它体现了同理心的力量,能够设身处地为用户着想,效果非常好。

凯蒂[00:36:53]如果您有一家像他们一样的公司,那么人们如此激情,而且想要把自己带到自己的东西,你知道,个人爱好和生活方式进入他们的产品设计,这是一个非常棒的甜蜜点。我想到其他可能没有同样的企业,你知道,创新者和用户和最终用户之间没有那么多的亲密关系。

凯蒂[00:37:23]所以思考在你自己身体之外有多强大,与他人交谈,同情,看看你最终用户的所有方面的生活就像是什么样的生活方式,他们试图支持想要生活的人in their shoes and and make sure that whatever you’re doing, like you said, is solving an urgent problem for them.

加里[00:37:46]不能这么说。你知道,走出办公室。和你的客户一起出去玩。不五分钟,不是半小时,但几天。你知道,和他们一起出去玩,你知道,至少一个八小时的一天,如果不是多个。和 - 看看你是在设计办公桌椅子上,看看他们如何坐在粉丝中,看看它们是如何 - 他们在白天工作。如果您正在设计完整的办公空间,那么您知道,在这些空间中花时间。如果您正在运行机车,您将在铁路轨道上搭配,并在火车上与工程师一起骑行,看看每天使用它是如何使用的。你会带走你从未想到或理解的坐在你的小隔间附近的东西。

凯蒂(00:38:25)我喜欢那个。这是一个很好的建议。最后一个问题。你见过亚马逊素数的幻影吗?

加里[00:38:32]我没在亚马逊Prime上看过《幽灵湖》

凯蒂[00:38:35]这是一个新系列。好吧,对创新的用户体验和亲密度来说,我从未走过摩托车。我会从一开始就说。我知道我真的很感兴趣,现在,在我们的谈话之后。但是 - 但我一直在观看叫幻影湖的系列,就像现在亚马逊素质的趋势。它是令人恐惧的,因为这一切都是关于,你知道,缺乏经验的车手试图第一次出去一个非常具有挑战性的小道。而且很酷。我的意思是,这不是我不应该说这是令人害怕的我。这是鼓舞人心的人,因为 - 但它帮助我意识到骑摩托车的努力。我没有意识到这是一种需要这么多技能的东西。

加里[00:39:22]是的,它是 - 我不知道是否 - 如果你早起,它自然而然。他们说,就像骑自行车一样。但是是的,我将不得不检查亚马逊的幻影。有趣的。

凯蒂[00:39:35]是的。我认为,我认为,或至少有动力学习的人,我会给你一个人。

加里[00:39:41]嗯,这很好。我的意思。是的,我的意思是,你知道,这是我想到的另一个角度,那就是只有3%的北美人真正骑摩托车。所以有97%的人害怕或者不愿意或者出于某种原因不愿意。这就是你如何。就我个人而言,这是一件让我纠结的事情。就像我骑了一辈子一样。所以我不明白这方面。但如果你能——如果你能学习和理解,那就是你能获得的消费增长。如果你能打破这些障碍,你知道,这也是弹弓的一部分。 All right. Maybe two wheels isn’t your thing, but maybe three wheels is maybe.

加里[00:40:20]也许凯蒂,从弹弓开始,我们会把你的方式进入印度侦察员。

凯蒂[00:40:26]这是正确的。棒极了。我喜欢这个谈话。我很感激你在今天做的时间,加里今天与我们交谈。感谢您在播客。

加里[00:40:36]伟大的,凯蒂,非常感谢你。祝周末愉快。

凯蒂[00:40:39]谢谢。你也是。

加里(00:40:40)好吧。再见。

凯蒂[00:40:41]再见。

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