如何保护你的创新+支持Angela Freeman在STEM领域的女性

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凯蒂[00:00:04]欢迎来到创新的未解故事，在那里我们扩大了洞察力，影响和创新的解开故事。由未结块内容提供支持。雷竞技电竞竞猜我是你的主人，Katie Trauth Taylor。我们的客人今天是Angela Freeman。她是Barnes和Thornburg的知识产权助理，她是妇女硕士学位。安吉拉，谢谢你在播客。

安琪拉[00:00:30]谢谢你们邀请我。我很欣赏这一点。

凯蒂[00:00:33]告诉我们，成为一个知识产权助理和你与之合作的客户的意义。

安琪拉[00:00:39]当然。所以我是一个知识产权，就像你提到的那样。有几种味道。我是一名专利律师。您也可以是商标律师或版权律师。我很欣赏成为一名专利律师，因为它是唯一的法律领域，要求您有科学和技术背景 - 某种类型的工程，艰难科学。我很欣赏。这可能是法律最具挑战性领域之一。这是大多数律师会告诉你他们不喜欢这样做的，因为它涉及数学和科学。你知道，典型的律师会远离数学和科学。 That’s why they go into the practice of law. So we are the kind of rare creatures in the legal field that, you know, have—some people’ say— are able to use both sides of our brain. And I enjoy that. I enjoy being in what I think to be an elite class of legal scholars and practitioners. That’s exciting to me because it completely capitalizes on my background. So it’s been an interesting journey.

凯蒂[00:01:55]你持有什么科学背景？

安琪拉[00:01:59]所以我是一名经过训练的分子生物学家。雷竞技raybet提现我在路易斯维尔大学获得了生物学和化学的学士学位，还有分子生物学的硕士学位，然后在礼来公司工作，这是我的第一份重要工作，在那里做研究科学家和临床科学家，研究遗传学超过十年，大约12到13年。这太棒了。我非常喜欢它。喜欢它的一切。喜欢呆在实验室里。喜欢我的同事。有一个伟大的事业带我环游世界。我参加了各种各样的科学会议，展示我的研究并解释。这太棒了。 But just got to a point in my career where I wanted a little something different. You know, getting a little older and looking at the future and realizing, you know, OK, this has been great, but I don’t know if this is what I want to do for the rest of my life. You know?

凯蒂(00:03:07)是的。

安琪拉[00:03:08]然后开始调查，好吧，还有什么?还有什么?你还做什么?后来又进入了专利法领域。我对律师一无所知，家里没有律师，也没有接触过律师，当然也没有非裔美国律师，根本不知道存在这样的法律或法律实践。莉莉公司的一位女律师，她是这个领域的最高职位之一，她说"安吉拉，如果你想学法律。你得去当律师。去和专利律师谈谈。”我就想“那是什么?”这是一个东西吗? Like that’s a real thing?” So kind of chased that path and realized that there was this whole practice of law that kind of capitalized on the whole background I’d had as a molecular biologist and scientist. And I love it. You know, I loved every bit about being able to use that knowledge and experience to translate into a different profession and a different career.

凯蒂[00:04:19]是的，我打赌，这准备了你真的看到真正的等式的两侧。所以从 -

安琪拉[00:04:27]这完全正确。

凯蒂(00:04:29)是的。

安琪拉[00:04:29]这就是它的感受。你知道，我在研发，研发，制作，制作这些东西和新发明。而现在我是在另一端，那种，创新管道，我在那里帮助我的客户可以保护那些正在制作的创新。而且这是我在生命科学，生物技术，食品，农业的实践领域，你知道，然后是生物技术制药。所以这是令人兴奋的。它确实是我以前的生活和经验的应用。人们问我，你后悔你早先做过吗？我说，根本没有。我不知道我能够在没有所有多年的经验，而不仅仅是，你知道，还要学习，但实际上是在实验室，看到创新如何发生。你知道，管道和研发，药物开发，临床试验，所有这些事情都在乐器上工作。 I mean, I’ve worked on a couple patent applications where I’m like, I did that experiment. You know, I ran that machine. I know exactly what they’re talking about.

凯蒂(00:05:42)是的。你能如此有力地将这两条路融合在一起真是太美妙了。你能和我们分享一下你最近在申请专利的产品或方法吗?

安琪拉[00:05:56]不过这都是以客户为基础的，对吧?和我的客户。我的客户五花八门。所以他们做的发展从技术保护食物,我们吃的新鲜的水果和食物,每一天,治疗各种疾病或研究的方法诊断工具,设备,我们将使用在实验室里,不同类型的工具和技术,您将使用在研究。所以，什么都有。这取决于客户，不管他们发明的是什么在生物技术研究领域，然后延伸到不同类型的更工业的技术。这是其中一个有趣的地方。总是有不同的东西，对吧?你永远不知道接下来会发生什么，你每天要做什么，因为这是完全不同的事情。这对我来说很有趣。

凯蒂[00:06:58]要知道，知识产权对创新和创新团队至关重要。没关系如果你创业或者如果你在一家大公司工作,在一个创新团队或在研究和开发中,你总是不得不质疑创新是,你知道,如果能够申请专利,如果它能够保护或受版权保护,是否应该。

安琪拉[00:07:24]。

凯蒂[00:07:25]所以把我们带到一点点。假设我们的一些听众了解了很多关于这个过程，并假设其他侦听器可能不知道这个过程。所以告诉我们，在它的核心，您如何决定是否能够从知识产权的角度受到保护？

安琪拉(00:07:45)是的。所以让我重新解释一下这个问题，因为我们的工作不是决定它是否可以被保护。这是专利局的工作。但我们的工作是确保客户有最好的机会来保护这项发明，我认为真正的问题是，最好的方式是什么?因为如果你有任何一种有价值的资产，你正在创造或创新，无论你是一家大公司或小公司或实体，如果它有任何真正的经济价值，它将会，你知道，被侵犯，被掠夺，被窃取。所以问题是，尤其是对小公司来说，你计划从产品中获得的收入是否值得你花费法律保护它?产品周期的延长是否能证明专利申请所需的时间是合理的?

凯蒂[00:09:10]有多长?

安琪拉(00:09:12)是的。这通常是我和我的客户的对话，因为这通常是一个教育过程。我们这样做的原因是，这是一个完全不同的部分，你必须知道的法律法典。现在我从事生命科学。记住，生物技术对于不同的技术领域，获得专利的周期可能要短一些，也可能要长一些，这取决于你所从事的领域。你知道，通常我会告诉客户大概2到3年，或者2到5年。

凯蒂(00:09:50)是的。

安琪拉[00:09:50]但这需要一点时间我的意思是，它不是那种，哦，我有一个很棒的想法，并认为你会在明年获得专利的东西。但是当你确实申请了专利申请，去寻求保护，法律保护，联邦保护，然后你就可以在你的产品上盖上专利申请的印章，向人们表明，你知道，你正在申请专利。并不是说你现在已经有了专利，而是说你正在申请专利。这就是给人们的营销通知。当你考虑与投资者交谈时，这通常具有重要的价值和重要性。但是你问的是，假设关于这个过程有不同程度的信息。通常是这样的。最大的一件事我想恳求你的听众是谁企业家希望,你知道,开始一个商业产品,他们生成或者,你知道,他们把它市场请,请至少考虑是否申请专利是一个过程,你需要保护你的产品。有时候，不管怎样保密，最好还是保密。 It’s called a trade secret. Right? You keep a secret. You protect it. Make sure only certain people have access to it. Certainly that’s less expensive. But the difference is when you patent something, you’re kind of trading off that time frame. Right. If you get a patent, it’s worth—it’s good for 20 years. You have, kind of, exclusive protection for 20 years. Whereas with a trade secret, you—it’s good as long as it’s secret. But if anybody figures it out, your protect (word unclear), period. So, you know, there are considerations that any entrepreneur, person who’s being innovative, inventing things, should consider about protection before the rush to go to market. Too many times I see young entrepreneurs especially just rush to market. Right. And there is a disclosure that occurs there that can prevent you from patenting it if it’s not done within a certain timeframe. So there are considerations, you know, to get in that process.

凯蒂[00:12:24]我很高兴你提出了这个问题，因为，你知道，企业创新团队和经营研发业务的大公司，这是众所周知的流程。他们为新发明申请专利已经有几十年了。对于初创企业来说，这是一个非常不同的情况——对于许多初创企业的创始人来说，这是他们需要理解的一个新领域。我特别想到的是你已经提到的那种张力，既需要知识产权保护，又需要投资者能够落后，并在七年内获得理想的回报。如果一个申请专利的过程需要3到5年，但你真的只有5到10年的时间来建立公司并退出以回报投资者的资金。对于创业公司如何平衡这一平衡，你能谈谈你的看法吗?

安琪拉[00:13:24]是的，这是一个挑战。我的意思是，这是挑战。我把帽子带到所有年轻的企业家身上。老老少少。我一直说年轻，因为我正在处理很多，你知道，刚刚追求的年轻企业家。它令人印象深刻。但这是挑战。这是挑战的，你知道 - 特别是追求专利并不便宜。所以它是耗时的，这是昂贵的，没有安排。它不是任何类型的日常计划，年轻企业家或年轻的企业甚至可以预算。 I’ve had clients ask me, give me a budget. You know, tell me how much I need to plan for, for this year and next year. And I do that. But it could be right or it could be absolutely wrong. Just depending on the patent office and those kind of things. So it is challenging for entrepreneurs. But again—and that’s a real consideration is whether you spend the money. And again, I say it’s expensive, but it’s all over the course of those two to five years. Right. It’s not all at once or any bulk. But again, I appreciate that for, you know, a young business that’s trying to get its grips or, you know, even seek investor dollars. It can be challenging to, kind of, predict what those expenses look like and what considerations. But it is possible. And I think my best advice would be to seek some counsel early. You know, I mean, at least go talk to someone, legal counsel, about whether, you know, that’s necessary. Sometimes it’s not. Sometimes the best protection, like I said, is just keeping it secret, particularly—and not all the time, so this is not. Ain’t none of this is legal advice. But it’s certainly worth considering that, you know, for software when things change so fast. Right. You know, you’re already onto the next iteration, the next validation, whatever it is— that sometimes it’s better to just keep it to yourself and do it and make those iterations. But it’s worth seeking counsel? You know, what does concern me and I’m seeing as trends is all these entrepreneurs that are jumping into business without necessarily having, you know, good legal counsel, which you need for things like this. You know, just to—do I need to worry about, you know, trademark? Do I need to get a trademark? You know, is it worth getting a trademark? And some of the balances, I mean, of the good and the bad. The pros and cons. There are plenty of clients who I say, go file the paperwork to start. Like you can do that. You know, I’ve had clients—they’ve gotten their own trademark. Like, it just depends on everyone’s needs. But having a good attorney you can trust, particularly in business, small business. You mentioned these companies and you’re absolutely right. These large companies, they’ve been doing this for years. They know the players. They know the industry. But when you’re a startup, how do you jump into that? You’ve got this great idea but how do you know? And oftentimes it’s as easy as trying to at least get some type of search on your product. It’s not always the right answer just to run and get—go file a patent application. Sometimes it’s better to just see what’s out there and see if you would even be able to get a patent before you spend the time and money trying to pursue it. Maybe somebody in Europe or, you know, in Texas has already invented that. You just don’t know. So once again, all considerations. Right. I mean, and that’s kind of what it is. What works for you and your business? What makes you comfortable? That’s how you proceed.

凯蒂(00:17:34)是的。它似乎也非常依赖于行业，当然，也依赖于商业规模。让我们换个话题。非常感谢，因为我知道这真的很重要。对于创新社区来说，这些都是非常重要的考虑。让我们换个话题。我想多了解一下你是女性科技公司的总裁，所以。

安琪拉[00:17:57]我的天啊

凯蒂[00:17:58]跟我说说这个组织

安琪拉[00:18:01]哦，我的善良。所以这就是我所说的 - 我想我刚刚在这一刻创作了这个，但我的激情项目。像女性和高科技真的是一个组织。我不知道我对任何事情感到充满热情。这是一个20年前在印第安纳波利斯成立的组织，由一位女科学家和莉莉的女性一位女性科学家在印第安纳波利斯。所以露丝在莉莉和一个女学术在IU。同样，20年前，只是围绕着妇女在科学的妇女的重点。当时，它是 - 然后尚未创造出来。正确的。所以这是女性和高科技，他们定义了这些行业的内容，但现在他们是我们认为的词干：]科学，技术，工程和数学。 And just really began as a support organization around women and, you know, realizing that there are so few women, right, in these areas. And how do we promote more and make sure there are more of us? And it literally, over the course of the last 20 years, has become, you know, the same organization but much bigger. I mean, I’ve been involved for six years now and the amount the organization and the activities and the programs and the outreach that we are doing just now for when I started it, it’s just amazing. I mean, we focus on women in STEM from K-through-12, collegiate, and professional. We have STEM days. That’s an event that we’ve been doing for like the last eight years. It’s basically a STEM day for the public to come out and just see various facets of them and get them exposed and inspired about what the cool way STEM can manifest itself in our lives. So we do that. We give college scholarships out to collegiate women. Last year was our 20th anniversary, so we had a 20th anniversary event. We planned to give out twenty thousand dollars’ worth of scholarships, and we gave out thirty thousand. It was awesome. 17 young women from many universities, different girls around the whole state. It was just awesome. So this year is our leading light awards, which is coming October 1st. We’re going to do the same thing. It’s the 20th anniversary of our first leading light award, which happened in 2000. So we’re going to give another twenty thousand dollars of scholarships away. We’re super excited. And it’s just a fantastic organization that just does good stuff to not just promote girls and women, but now we have a particular focus on diversity and equity and inclusion of all girls and all women and just make them have the opportunities to be exposed to STEM, to know that they can excel and advance in STEM, that you can be independent and just build that confidence in young girls so that the next generation of women in science, technology, engineering and math, you know, don’t face some of the same obstacles that me and my generation have. That’s all you can do, right, is try to instill and invest in the next generation. So that’s what Women & Hi Tech is all about. I’ve been blessed to be the president this year. And it’s just been amazing. I mean, I just remain, you know, just in awe at passionate my board is, my colleagues. We’re an all-volunteer working board of directors. And I had a partner a few years ago who was also the president of Women & Hi Tech. She’s who got me involved. And she used to say that we’re an all-volunteer working broad. And I never understood what that meant until I got involved. And I’m like, oh, yeah, you know, like work.

凯蒂[00:22:11]是的。

安琪拉我们的工作[00:22:11]。我们没有员工。但是，我的意思是，我们被激情所驱动，我们举办了伟大的活动。我们为我们所做的事和它影响的人感到鼓舞和自豪。你知道，我们在这座城市的影响力越来越大。我们刚刚结束了印第安纳波利斯一所女子STEM学校的筹款活动。这肯定是州里的第一批，甚至可能是全国第一批。你知道，我们超级兴奋。我们很高兴能与印第安纳州中部的女童子军一起参与这项倡议。每个女孩都能学STEM。 So, you know, it’s just like the real momentum around women in STEM. And, you know, International Women’s Day and, you know, just all these things that are kind of really culminating. And diversity, equity, and inclusion. That has all kind of been culminated into our mission. It’s just a good time for the organization right now. We’re celebrating a couple of awards and some of our board members are being recognized for their expertise in leadership in the community. And we’re doing good work, you know, affecting real change, real people. And I’m excited to be involved with this.

凯蒂[00:23:33]我喜欢这个组织的使命。很明显，从你们的一些社交媒体工作来看，讲故事和故事分享在你们如何互动，尤其是如何授权和鼓励方面起着很大的作用，让年轻女性进入STEM领域，让有成就的职业女性能够将自己视为导师，并在职业生涯中继续寻找导师。这是如此重要的工作。

安琪拉[00:24:01]是的，这很重要。而且，你知道，这是授权。你知道，在一些STEM的日子里，这些女孩，你知道，我们有一个活动，叫做点燃你的超能力，和印第安纳妇女在科技和康纳普雷里。这是专门为我们学校里各种各样的女孩准备的，你知道，否则她们可能没有机会接触到她们，以一种可能真正鼓励她们、激发她们或激起她们兴趣的方式。这是太棒了。我是说，这真是美好的一天，绝佳的机会。这800个年轻女孩中有一些人真的有机会，否则她们就不会有机会。它通常在大学校园里举行。这样他们就能接触到校园生活。我们和学生交谈，让他们知道你也可以来学校。 And, you know, all those things. It’s just a good opportunity to continue to build the future. These are going to be the young girls who, you know, are the next generation. So it’s exciting to invest in them and provide role models, because, again, I told you, I didn’t know patent law existed. I just wasn’t exposed. So I truly believe exposure is critical. You can’t be what you can’t see. You know, it’s hard to imagine what may— what things look like if you’re just not exposed to them. So we try to do that on a regular basis.

凯蒂[00:25:34]如果您也受到这次谈话的启发，您肯定可以签出所有社交媒体渠道，女性和高科技。那是我可以关注LinkedIn的Angela Freeman，以及Barnes和Thornburg，它是Twitter上的@btlawnews和其他社交媒体账户。和安吉拉，我非常感谢谈话。非常感谢您在播客。

安琪拉[00:25:59]哦，非常感谢你。与你交谈很棒。我希望这有一些价值，但我当然感谢你让我有机会看到。与你说话是很棒的。

凯蒂(00:26:09)谢谢。感谢收听本周的节目。一定要在社交媒体上关注我们，并在对话中加入你的声音。你可以在Untold Content找雷竞技电竞竞猜到我们。

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