如何保护你的创新+支持STEM领域的女性

“我不知道专利法的存在。我只是没有暴露。所以，我真的相信接触是至关重要的。-安吉拉·弗里曼(angela Freeman)是巴恩斯&索恩伯格有限责任公司(Barnes & Thornburg, LLC)的知识产权助理，也是Women & Hi Tech的总裁

为什么故事对创新过程很重要?哪些价值观可以灌输给分享故事的创新者?创新领导者如何激励创造者讲述和分享他们的成功和失败的故事?

安吉拉·弗里曼是一名知识产权助理巴恩斯&索恩伯格有限公司和总统女性与高科技．安吉拉承认，在她作为分子生物学家的职业生涯中，她了解到专利律师是什么礼来公司．她的科学背景有助于帮助发明者保护他们的发明，确定一项专利是否适合该组织。对安吉拉来说，知识就是力量。这就是为什么让年轻女孩参与STEM项目是她的热情所在。她被激励着要真正改变年轻女孩的生活，她说:“你不能成为你看不到的东西。”

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凯蒂欢迎来到《不述的创新故事》，在这里我们将讲述不述的关于洞察力、影响力和创新的故事。不为人知的内容提供动力雷竞技电竞竞猜。我是主持人，凯蒂·特鲁斯·泰勒。我们今天的嘉宾是安吉拉·弗里曼。她是巴恩斯和索恩伯格的知识产权助理也是女性与高科技公司的总裁。安吉拉，谢谢你做客播客。

安吉拉谢谢你邀请我。我很欣赏这一点。

凯蒂请告诉我们知识产权合伙人意味着什么，以及你所合作的客户类型。

安吉拉(00:00:39)确定。正如你所说，我是一名知识产权助理。有好几种口味。我是专利律师。你也可以成为商标律师或版权律师。我很欣赏成为一名专利律师，因为这是唯一一个要求你有科学和技术背景的法律领域，比如某种工程，硬科学。我很感激。这可能是法律领域中最具挑战性的领域之一。大多数律师会告诉你，他们不喜欢这样做，因为这涉及数学和科学。一般来说，律师都不喜欢数学和科学。 That’s why they go into the practice of law. So we are the kind of rare creatures in the legal field that, you know, have—some people’ say— are able to use both sides of our brain. And I enjoy that. I enjoy being in what I think to be an elite class of legal scholars and practitioners. That’s exciting to me because it completely capitalizes on my background. So it’s been an interesting journey.

凯蒂你有什么科学背景?

安吉拉[00:01:59]所以我是通过训练的分子生物学家。雷竞技raybet提现我收到了B.A.在生物学和化学中，在路易斯维尔大学的硕士学位，然后去了Eli Lilly，因为我的第一名大工作，并是一名研究科学家和临床科学家，在十年内学习遗传学，约十二，13年。那太棒了。我绝对喜欢它。喜欢它的一切。喜欢在实验室里。喜欢我的同事。曾经是一个伟大的职业生涯，让我遍布世界。我参加了各种不同的科学会议，你知道，展示了我的研究和解释。 And it was awesome. But just got to a point in my career where I wanted a little something different. You know, getting a little older and looking at the future and realizing, you know, OK, this has been great, but I don’t know if this is what I want to do for the rest of my life. You know?

凯蒂(00:03:07)是的。

安吉拉然后开始调查，好吧，还有什么?还有什么?你还做什么?碰巧在专利法领域。我对律师一无所知，我的家人中没有任何律师，也没有接触过律师，更没有接触过非裔美国律师，我根本不知道那种法律或法律实践的存在。莉莉的一位女律师，她是该领域最高职位之一，她说"安吉拉，如果你想学法律。你得去当律师。去和专利律师谈谈吧。”“那是什么?”这是一个东西吗? Like that’s a real thing?” So kind of chased that path and realized that there was this whole practice of law that kind of capitalized on the whole background I’d had as a molecular biologist and scientist. And I love it. You know, I loved every bit about being able to use that knowledge and experience to translate into a different profession and a different career.

凯蒂是的，我打赌这让你很好地理解了等式的两边。所以从

安吉拉完全正确。

凯蒂(00:04:29)是的。

安吉拉这就是我的感觉。你知道，我在研发，研发和发展，制造这种东西和新发明。现在我站在创新管道的另一端，我在帮助我的客户保护他们的创新。那是我在生命科学，生物技术，食品，农业，还有生物技术制药方面的实践领域。这是令人兴奋的。这确实是我以前生活和经验的应用。人们问我，你后悔没有早点做吗?我说，一点也不。我不知道如果没有这么多年的经验，不只是学习，而是在实验室里观察创新是如何发生的，我能不能做到这一点。你知道，管道，研究和开发，药物开发，临床试验，所有这些东西都在仪器上工作。 I mean, I’ve worked on a couple patent applications where I’m like, I did that experiment. You know, I ran that machine. I know exactly what they’re talking about.

凯蒂(00:05:42)是的。你能以如此强大的方式将这两条路融合在一起，这真的很美。您能和我们分享一下您最近申请专利的一些产品或方法吗?

安吉拉[00:05:56]嗯，这一切都基于客户，吧？和我的客户。而我的客户是多元化的。因此，他们确实培养了从技术保护食物，我们每天吃的食物的新鲜度，以及治疗各种疾病或研究诊断工具的方法，我们将在实验室中使用的设备，不同类型的工具您将在研究中使用的技术。所以，这是一切的一切。它只是取决于客户，无论它们都在发明的内容，在那种生物技术的研究空间中，然后分支成不同类型的更多工业技术。所以这是一个真正有趣的一件事。它总是不同的，对吧？你永远不会，有点，知道什么是派徒，你会在日常工作的是什么，因为它是所有不同的东西。 And that’s fun to me.

凯蒂你知道，知识产权对创新和创新团队来说是非常重要的。没关系如果你创业或者如果你在一家大公司工作,在一个创新团队或在研究和开发中,你总是不得不质疑创新是,你知道,如果能够申请专利,如果它能够保护或受版权保护,是否应该。

安吉拉[00:07:24]。

凯蒂带我们回顾一下。假设我们的一些听众对这个过程了解很多而其他的听众可能不太了解这个过程。那么告诉我们，最核心的问题是，你如何从知识产权的角度来决定某件事是否能够得到保护?

安吉拉(00:07:45)是的。所以让我把这个问题换一种说法，因为我们的工作不是决定它是否可以被保护。这就是专利局的工作。但我们的工作是确保客户有最好的机会来保护这项发明，我认为真正的问题是，怎样做才是最好的方法?因为如果你有任何一种有价值的资产你正在创造，生产，创新-无论你是大公司，小公司或实体-如果它有任何实际的经济价值，你知道，它将被侵犯，被窃取。所以问题是，通常情况下，特别是对小公司来说，你计划从产品中获得的收入值得让它受到法律保护吗?产品周期的寿命是否能证明申请专利所需的时间是合理的?

凯蒂那有多长?

安吉拉(00:09:12)是的。这通常是我和客户的对话，因为这通常是一个教育过程。我们这样做的原因是，这是一个完全不同的法律法规，你必须知道。我现在从事生命科学研究。记住，对于不同的技术领域，生物技术的专利周期可能会更长或更短，这取决于你所处的行业。你知道，通常我告诉客户大概2到3年，也许2到5年。

凯蒂(00:09:50)是的。

安吉拉[00:09:50]但它需要很少的时间。我的意思是，这不是你只是什么，哦，我有一个美好的主意，并认为你明年要获得专利的专利。但是当您在文件中获取申请，专利申请，寻求保护，法律保护，联邦保护，您就可以在您所在的产品中向您所在的产品提出专利挂布，您正在进行中获得专利。不是今天有专利，但你在那个过程中。所以，你知道，为人们营销通知。当您正在考虑与投资者交谈时，通常具有显着的价值和重要性。但是你知道，假设有关于这个过程的不同信息级别。通常存在。One of the biggest things I would implore to any of your listeners who are entrepreneurs looking to, you know, start a business on a product that they’re generating or making, you know, they’re taking it to market is please, please look and at least consider whether patenting is a process that you need to protect your product. Sometimes it’s better just to keep however you make it a secret. It’s called a trade secret. Right? You keep a secret. You protect it. Make sure only certain people have access to it. Certainly that’s less expensive. But the difference is when you patent something, you’re kind of trading off that time frame. Right. If you get a patent, it’s worth—it’s good for 20 years. You have, kind of, exclusive protection for 20 years. Whereas with a trade secret, you—it’s good as long as it’s secret. But if anybody figures it out, your protect (word unclear), period. So, you know, there are considerations that any entrepreneur, person who’s being innovative, inventing things, should consider about protection before the rush to go to market. Too many times I see young entrepreneurs especially just rush to market. Right. And there is a disclosure that occurs there that can prevent you from patenting it if it’s not done within a certain timeframe. So there are considerations, you know, to get in that process.

凯蒂我真的很高兴你提到了这一点，因为，你知道，企业创新团队和大公司进行研发运作，这是——这些是众所周知的流程。他们已经为新发明申请了几十年的专利。对于初创公司来说，这是非常不同的——对于许多初创公司的创始人来说，这是他们需要理解的一个新领域。我特别想到了你已经提到的那种紧张关系，既需要知识产权保护，也需要投资者能够在7年左右的时间内获得回报。所以如果获得专利的过程需要3到5年，但你只有5到10年的时间来建立公司，然后退出以回报投资者。你能分享一些关于创业公司如何平衡这一等式的观点吗?

安吉拉是的，这是个挑战。我是说，这很有挑战性。我向所有年轻的企业家致敬。年轻人和老年人。我一直说年轻，因为我遇到过很多，年轻的创业者，他们追求的是年轻。这是如此令人印象深刻。但它是具有挑战性的。这很有挑战性，特别是申请专利并不便宜。所以这是耗时的，昂贵的，而且没有计划。它不是任何一种常规的日程安排，一个年轻的企业家或年轻的企业甚至可以为此进行预算。 I’ve had clients ask me, give me a budget. You know, tell me how much I need to plan for, for this year and next year. And I do that. But it could be right or it could be absolutely wrong. Just depending on the patent office and those kind of things. So it is challenging for entrepreneurs. But again—and that’s a real consideration is whether you spend the money. And again, I say it’s expensive, but it’s all over the course of those two to five years. Right. It’s not all at once or any bulk. But again, I appreciate that for, you know, a young business that’s trying to get its grips or, you know, even seek investor dollars. It can be challenging to, kind of, predict what those expenses look like and what considerations. But it is possible. And I think my best advice would be to seek some counsel early. You know, I mean, at least go talk to someone, legal counsel, about whether, you know, that’s necessary. Sometimes it’s not. Sometimes the best protection, like I said, is just keeping it secret, particularly—and not all the time, so this is not. Ain’t none of this is legal advice. But it’s certainly worth considering that, you know, for software when things change so fast. Right. You know, you’re already onto the next iteration, the next validation, whatever it is— that sometimes it’s better to just keep it to yourself and do it and make those iterations. But it’s worth seeking counsel? You know, what does concern me and I’m seeing as trends is all these entrepreneurs that are jumping into business without necessarily having, you know, good legal counsel, which you need for things like this. You know, just to—do I need to worry about, you know, trademark? Do I need to get a trademark? You know, is it worth getting a trademark? And some of the balances, I mean, of the good and the bad. The pros and cons. There are plenty of clients who I say, go file the paperwork to start. Like you can do that. You know, I’ve had clients—they’ve gotten their own trademark. Like, it just depends on everyone’s needs. But having a good attorney you can trust, particularly in business, small business. You mentioned these companies and you’re absolutely right. These large companies, they’ve been doing this for years. They know the players. They know the industry. But when you’re a startup, how do you jump into that? You’ve got this great idea but how do you know? And oftentimes it’s as easy as trying to at least get some type of search on your product. It’s not always the right answer just to run and get—go file a patent application. Sometimes it’s better to just see what’s out there and see if you would even be able to get a patent before you spend the time and money trying to pursue it. Maybe somebody in Europe or, you know, in Texas has already invented that. You just don’t know. So once again, all considerations. Right. I mean, and that’s kind of what it is. What works for you and your business? What makes you comfortable? That’s how you proceed.

凯蒂(00:17:34)是的。这似乎也非常依赖于行业，当然也依赖于企业规模。让我们稍微改变一下思路。非常感谢，因为我知道这很重要。这些都是创新界非常重要的考虑因素。让我们稍微改变一下思路。我想更多地了解你。你是女性与高科技公司的总裁，所以。

安吉拉[00:17:57]哦，我的善良。

凯蒂[00:17:58]所以，告诉我更多关于这个组织的信息。

安吉拉[00:18:01]哦，我的善良。所以这就是我所说的 - 我想我刚刚在这一刻创作了这个，但我的激情项目。像女性和高科技真的是一个组织。我不知道我对任何事情感到充满热情。这是一个20年前在印第安纳波利斯成立的组织，由一位女科学家和莉莉的女性一位女性科学家在印第安纳波利斯。所以露丝在莉莉和一个女学术在IU。同样，20年前，只是围绕着妇女在科学的妇女的重点。当时，它是 - 然后尚未创造出来。正确的。所以这是女性和高科技，他们定义了这些行业的内容，但现在他们是我们认为的词干：]科学，技术，工程和数学。 And just really began as a support organization around women and, you know, realizing that there are so few women, right, in these areas. And how do we promote more and make sure there are more of us? And it literally, over the course of the last 20 years, has become, you know, the same organization but much bigger. I mean, I’ve been involved for six years now and the amount the organization and the activities and the programs and the outreach that we are doing just now for when I started it, it’s just amazing. I mean, we focus on women in STEM from K-through-12, collegiate, and professional. We have STEM days. That’s an event that we’ve been doing for like the last eight years. It’s basically a STEM day for the public to come out and just see various facets of them and get them exposed and inspired about what the cool way STEM can manifest itself in our lives. So we do that. We give college scholarships out to collegiate women. Last year was our 20th anniversary, so we had a 20th anniversary event. We planned to give out twenty thousand dollars’ worth of scholarships, and we gave out thirty thousand. It was awesome. 17 young women from many universities, different girls around the whole state. It was just awesome. So this year is our leading light awards, which is coming October 1st. We’re going to do the same thing. It’s the 20th anniversary of our first leading light award, which happened in 2000. So we’re going to give another twenty thousand dollars of scholarships away. We’re super excited. And it’s just a fantastic organization that just does good stuff to not just promote girls and women, but now we have a particular focus on diversity and equity and inclusion of all girls and all women and just make them have the opportunities to be exposed to STEM, to know that they can excel and advance in STEM, that you can be independent and just build that confidence in young girls so that the next generation of women in science, technology, engineering and math, you know, don’t face some of the same obstacles that me and my generation have. That’s all you can do, right, is try to instill and invest in the next generation. So that’s what Women & Hi Tech is all about. I’ve been blessed to be the president this year. And it’s just been amazing. I mean, I just remain, you know, just in awe at passionate my board is, my colleagues. We’re an all-volunteer working board of directors. And I had a partner a few years ago who was also the president of Women & Hi Tech. She’s who got me involved. And she used to say that we’re an all-volunteer working broad. And I never understood what that meant until I got involved. And I’m like, oh, yeah, you know, like work.

凯蒂(00:22:11)是的。

安吉拉我们的工作[00:22:11]。我们没有员工。但是，我的意思是，我们充满了激情，我们举办了盛大的活动。你知道，我们离开时受到鼓舞，为我们所做的事和影响的人感到自豪。你知道，我们在这个城市的影响力越来越大。我们刚结束印第安纳波利斯一所女子STEM学校的筹款活动。肯定是全州第一个，甚至可能是全国第一个。你知道，我们非常兴奋。我们很高兴能和印第安纳州中部的女童子军一起参与这项倡议。每个女孩都能干。 So, you know, it’s just like the real momentum around women in STEM. And, you know, International Women’s Day and, you know, just all these things that are kind of really culminating. And diversity, equity, and inclusion. That has all kind of been culminated into our mission. It’s just a good time for the organization right now. We’re celebrating a couple of awards and some of our board members are being recognized for their expertise in leadership in the community. And we’re doing good work, you know, affecting real change, real people. And I’m excited to be involved with this.

凯蒂我热爱这个组织的使命。很明显，从你的一些社交媒体工作来看，讲故事和故事分享在你如何互动，如何授权和鼓励，特别是，年轻女性进入STEM领域，对于已经确立的职业女性能够把自己当成导师，并在她们职业生涯中不断成长的过程中继续寻找导师。这是如此重要的工作。

安吉拉是的，这很重要。你知道，这很有力量。你看，你知道，在一些STEM的日子里，这些女孩，你知道，我们有一个活动，叫做点燃你的超能力与印第妇女在Tech和Conner Prairie。这是专门为我们学校里的不同类型的女孩准备的，你知道，否则她们可能没有机会接触她们，以一种可能真正鼓励她们，刺激她们或激起她们兴趣的方式。这是太棒了。我的意思是，这真是美好的一天，绝佳的机会。800名年轻女孩，她们中的一些人真正得到了机会，否则她们不会得到的。它通常在大学校园里举行。这样他们就能接触到校园生活。我们和学生们交谈，让他们知道你也可以来学校。 And, you know, all those things. It’s just a good opportunity to continue to build the future. These are going to be the young girls who, you know, are the next generation. So it’s exciting to invest in them and provide role models, because, again, I told you, I didn’t know patent law existed. I just wasn’t exposed. So I truly believe exposure is critical. You can’t be what you can’t see. You know, it’s hard to imagine what may— what things look like if you’re just not exposed to them. So we try to do that on a regular basis.

凯蒂[00:25:34]如果你也受这个谈话,你肯定可以查看所有社会媒体渠道,女性&嗨科技。H I T E C H .你可以遵循安吉拉·弗里曼在LinkedIn以及巴恩斯和索恩,@BTLawNews Twitter和其他社交媒体账户。安吉拉，我很感激你能和我谈话。非常感谢你的到来。

安吉拉哦，非常感谢你邀请我。和你谈话很愉快。我希望你这么做有价值，但我非常感谢你给我机会去看看。和你谈话很愉快。

凯蒂(00:26:09)谢谢。感谢收听本周的节目。一定要在社交媒体上关注我们，并在对话中加入你的声音。你可以在Untold Content上雷竞技电竞竞猜找到我们。

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